THERAPIST: OK. All right. Now, I'm going to tell you.

CHILD: What?

THERAPIST: Let's pretend that these are your crackers. And these are my animal crackers. Now, do we have the same number of animal crackers? So if you ate all of your animal crackers and I ate all of mine, would we have the same number of crackers to eat?

CHILD: Yes.

THERAPIST: Now watch what I'm going to go. Are you going to watch? Now do we still have the same number of animal crackers to eat? Or does one of us have more?

CHILD: We have the same.

THERAPIST: We have the same? How can you tell?

CHILD: Because I watched you.

THERAPIST: Oh, you watched me. What did I do?

CHILD: You moved them apart.

THERAPIST: I did move them apart. But look how that looks. Don't you think I have more animal crackers than you do?

CHILD: Yessie.

THERAPIST: Hmm? Do I have more animal crackers than you do? Or are they the same?

CHILD: The same.

THERAPIST: They're the same. Are you sure? OK. Well watch what I do now. I'm going to take my animal crackers and I'm going to do this with them. Now, do we still have the same number of animal crackers or does one of us have more?

CHILD: We have the same.

THERAPIST: We have the same. How can you tell we have the same? How do you know?

CHILD: Because I saw you move them.

THERAPIST: You saw me move them. But doesn't it look like I have more than you, I mean, you have more than I have?

CHILD: Yes but you moved them bunched up this time.

THERAPIST: Oh, so it doesn't make any difference, huh? OK, well you know what? You're right about that.

Thank you, [? Matte. ?]